The Truth Will Set You Free

7. How can we reconcile Joseph Smith’s numerous false prophecies, with the test of a true prophet as found in Deuteronomy 18?

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“And if thou say in thine heart, how shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follows not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”Deuteronomy 18:21-22

A prophet then, to put it crudely, is a mouthpiece for God, who is perfect and never wrong.

Joseph did declare a number of prophecies that unquestionable came to fruition including:

  • Smith would be spoken of for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues – Joseph Smith History 1:33.
  • The Saints will gather in one place (Utah). – D&C 29:8
  • During the captivity in Liberty Jail, no one’s lives would be taken – Hearsay but attributed to Smith.
  • Smith will not return to Missouri – History of the Church 5:216.
  • Stephen A. Douglas to run for president – History of the Church 5:394.
  • Stakes to be established in Boston and New York – History of the Church 6:319.
  • Orrin Porter Rockwell protected from enemies if he doesn’t cut his hair – “Rockwell’s colorful history recounted”, Deseret News (He did cut his hair).
  • Richards will not have a hole in his garment – History of the Church 6:619.
  • Joseph and Hyrum Smith to die if re-captured – History of the Church 6:546.
  • Dan Jones to serve a mission to Wales – History of the Church 6:601.
  • The Saints would escape their enemies within five years History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 225. By 1849.
  • The Escape of Stephen Markham – History of the Church Volume 3, p. 316.

There was also a couple of Josephs prophesies that I did not include as there is evidence of fraud – The Rocky Mountain Prophesy for example where it appears that the prophecy had been added after the event as well as a couple of self-fulfilling prophesies, for example, that Jesus would appear in the temple where the only witness to the event was Joseph himself.

By my count, Smith uttered a dozen true and accurate prophesies.

In the other column, I have listed the false or failed prophesies of Joseph Smith, which include:

The Coming of the Lord

“Joseph Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . .. it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh – even fifty-six years should wind up the scene.” 1

This prophecy was spoken by Joseph Smith in 1835 and recorded by Oliver Cowdery. The fifty-six years were passed by 1891.

David W. Patten to go on a Mission

“Verily, thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten, that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto the world.“ 2

This prophecy was made on April 17, 1838. David Patten died in October of 1838 and thus never served a mission.

The United States Government to be overthrown in a few years

“I prophecy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left for their wickedness in permitting the murder of men, women, and children, and the wholesale plunder and extermination of thousands of her citizens to go unpunished.” 3

Joseph Smith made this prophecy on May 6, 1843. There was no redress, and the United States, by all accounts, still endures.

Congress to be broken up as a government

“While discussing the petition to Congress, I prophesied, by virtue of the holy Priesthood vested in me, and in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that, if Congress will not hear our petition and grant us protection, they shall be broken up as a government, and God shall damn them, and there shall be nothing left of them – not even a grease spot.” 4

Finding Treasure in Salem, Massachusetts

“I, the Lord your God, am not displeased with your coming this journey, notwithstanding your follies. I have much treasure in this city for you, for the benefit of Zion, and many people in this city, whom I will gather out in due time for the benefit of Zion, through your instrumentality. Therefore, it is expedient that you should form an acquaintance with men in this city, as you shall be led, and as it shall be given you. And it shall come to pass in due time that I will give this city into your hands, that you shall have power over it, insomuch that they shall not discover your secret parts; and its wealth pertaining to gold and silver shall be yours. Concern not yourselves about your debts, for I will give you power to pay them.” 5

Hail, Pestilence, Famine & Earthquake to
Destroy the Wicked

“And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land, to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north country. The people of the Lord, those who have complied with the requirements of the new covenant, have already commenced gathering together to Zion, which is in the state of Missouri; therefore I declare unto you the warning which the Lord has commanded to declare unto this generation, remembering that the eyes of my Maker are upon me, and that to him I am accountable for every word I say, wishing nothing worse to my fellow-men than their eternal salvation; therefore, “Fear God, and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come.” Repent ye, repent ye, and embrace the everlasting covenant and flee to Zion, before the overflowing scourge overtake you, for there are those now living upon the earth whose eyes shall not be closed in death until they see all these things, which I have spoken, fulfilled.”

Temple to be Built in Zion, Missouri

“A revelation of Jesus Christ unto his servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and six elders, as they united their hearts and lifted their voices on high. Yea, the word of the Lord concerning his church, established in the last days for the restoration of his people, as he has spoken by the mouth of his prophets, and for the gathering of his saints to stand upon Mount Zion, which shall be the city of New Jerusalem. Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased. Verily, this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not all pass away until a house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house. The Mormons were forced to flee Missouri due to persecution and a temple was never built on the “temple lot” in the lifetime of Joseph Smith or within his generation.” 8

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, September 22 and 23, 1832.

Selling the Copyright to the Book of Mormon

It is interesting to note that had Joseph Smith’s revelation (below) about selling the copyright of the Book of Mormon been true. Had Oliver Cowdrey, Joseph Knight, Hyram Page and Josiah Stowel been successful in their journey to Kingston, Ontario, Canada in 1830 to do so. None of the 3,913 changes made to the original 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon may have been allowed by the new owners of the copyright – The Kingston Chronical, The Toronto Star or whoever!

“…it Pleaseth me that Oliver Cowdery, Joseph Knight Hyram Page & Josiah Stowel shall do my work in this thing yea even in securing the Copyright & they shall do it with an eye single to my Glory that it may be the means of bringing souls unto me Salvation through mine only Be{gotten} Behold I am God I have spoken it Wherefore I say unto you that ye shall go seeking me continually through mine only Be{tgotten} & if ye do this ye shall have my spirit to go with you & ye shall have an addition of all things which is expedient in me. amen & I grant unto my servent a privelige that he may sell a copyright through you speaking after the manner of men for the four Provinces if the People harden not their hearts against the enticeings of my spirit & my word for Behold it lieth in themselves to their condemnation {or} th{eir} salvation.” 9

When Hyram and Oliver returned from their failed mission to Kingston, Ontario and asked the prophet why his prophecy failed, they were told essentially, that some prophecies are from God, some are from man and some are from the devil. 

I have some difficulty with this. That a prophet of God cannot discern when the Lord is talking to him and when it is the devil or when nobody is talking to him it is just his own imaginings.

As well the revelation tells us that Joseph was to be the major benefactor of the $ 8,000.00 or so they hoped to receive in exchange for the copyright but also that his emissaries were to receive a share as well.

The fact that they have a financial interest in the success of the Book of Mormon must also cast some doubt on their veracity as witnesses to it.

Utter Abolishment of New York and Boston

D&C 84:114. It, of course, did not happen making this another false prophecy.

That the United Order will be Everlasting, “immutable and unchangeable” to benefit the church until Jesus comes

D&C 104:1 The United Order, Joseph Smith prophesied would be “everlasting”, and “immutable and unchangeable.” That it would ‘benefit the church until Jesus comes.’ Nevertheless, LDS history reveals that this “everlasting” order was soon disbanded after because it failed. A false prophecy.

That we will see a Victory in Missouri

D&C 105:13 Speaking through Smith, God says regarding Missouri: “I will fight your battles … the destroyer I have sent forth to destroy and lay waste mine enemies; and not many years hence they shall not be left to pollute mine heritage, and to blaspheme my name upon the lands which I have consecrated for the gathering together of my saints”. This did not happen, another false prophecy.

That the Saints Enemies will be Destroyed,

The History of the Church 1:455. If the Saints were not successful in their legal action against their enemies in Missouri, God would avenge them and all their adversaries would be destroyed. The Saints were unsuccessful yet their adversaries were not destroyed. A false prophecy.

The Relief Society. I Prophecy that Before ten years shall roll around, the Queens of the Earth shall come and Pay their Respects to this Society

Dennis Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power, p. 634. The ten years however passed and no queens! Another false prophecy.

That the Nauvoo House would be the Smiths Forever

D&C107:17-18. “Let it [Nauvoo House], be built unto my name…and let my servant Joseph and his house have place therein, from generation to generation.” It was not. A false prophecy.

That the Lamanites will be Converted

D&C 3.16-20. For a century and a half, the LDS missionaries have been trying to convert their “Lamanite brothers and sisters with little success. The vast majority of Indians today are not Mormon, and they still are covered with the ‘dark and loathsome ‘skin that the Book of Mormon says they were cursed with and few of those who have joined the LDS church have become “white and delightsome” as they were promised. Another false prophecy.

That the Earth Shall Shake and reel as a Drunken Man

D&C 88:87 Smith prophesized that “…not many days hence the earth shall tremble and reel as a drunken man; and the sun shall hide his face…and the moon shall be bathed in blood; and the stars shall become exceedingly angry, and shall cast themselves down as a fig that falleth from a fig tree.” It never did. False prophecy.

That Josephs son David would become the “church president and king over Israel”

D Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy – Joseph’s son did not become president of the Church. Sadly David died in 1904 at the age of 60 after having spent 27 years in an insane asylum.

That Smith will Triumph over his Foes

D&C 121. Not only did Joseph Smith not triumph over his enemies, but they put him to death by them. A false prophesy.

That George Miller was a man of great integrity

124:2-21. In D&C Section 141 Smith declared a man named George Miller was a man ‘without guile’ who could be trusted, and that no man should ‘despise my servant George,’ for he shall honor me. George Miller was excommunicated seven years later.

That all Nations Would Bow down to the Mormon Gospel

D&C 49.9-10 “Wherefore, I say unto you that I have sent unto you mine everlasting covenant, even that which was from the beginning. And that which I have promised I have so fulfilled, and the nations of the earth shall bow to it; and, if not of themselves, they shall come down, for that which is now exalted of itself shall be laid low of power.” We are yet to see any nation of the world “bow” to the principles of the Mormon gospel, lo it has been almost 187 years as of this writing, since the prophecy was given.

That the Saints are to Gather in Independence and Build a Temple

D&C 84 1 “A revelation of Jesus Christ unto his servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and six elders, as they united their hearts and lifted their voices on high.

3 Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased.

4 Verily this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation.

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For verily this generation shall not all pass away until a house shall be built unto the Lord…”

The temple was not built in ‘that generation.’ Indeed, the Mormons were driven out of Missouri in 1839. The temple has yet to be built, making this another false prophecy.

Army to Redeem Zion Independence, Missouri

D&C 103 The mission was unsuccessful. Another false prophecy.

New gathering place and temple in Far West

D&C 115. “Therefore, I command you to build a house unto me, for the gathering together of my saints… And let the beginning be made on the fourth day of July next; and from that time forth let my people labor diligently to build a house unto my name; And in one year from this day let them re-commence laying the foundation of my house.” To this day all that’s on this lot of land are markers indicating a cornerstone of where the temple should be built. Yet another false prophecy.

Zion Cannot fall

D&C 97.19-20 prophesies: “Surely, Zion is the city of our God, and surely Zion cannot fall, neither be moved out of her place, for God is there and the hand of the Lord is there; And he hath sworn by the power of his might to be her salvation…”

Zion did fall and the Mormons were driven out of Independence, MO in 1838 and 1839.

The Move to Jackson County

In a letter to the High Council, Joseph Smith declared, “…I shall now proceed to give you such counsel as the Spirit of the Lord may dictate…(you are to have the churches) use every effort to gather to those regions and locate themselves, to be in readiness to move into Jackson County in two years from the eleventh of September next, which is the appointed time for the redemption of Zion…”

The churches did not move into Jackson County on September 11, 1836. Nor was “Zion” redeemed at that time; as the Church history shows. This was a false prophecy.

W.W. PHELPS Not To See Death

Joseph Smith prophesied that ‘W.W. Phelps would not taste of death till Jesus came.’ Often both privately and publicly, Mr. Phelps boasted to the Saints of this amazing prophecy, given to him by revelation through the Prophet Joseph Smith.” Phelps died March 7, 1872. Yet another false prophecy.

Kirtland “Anti-Banking Society

A false prophecy from the Latter-day Saint Messenger and Advocate, “This place must be built up, and will be built up, and every brother that will take hold and help secure these contracts [for land] shall be rich.”

To Swallow Up all Other Banks

In The Millennial Star, volume 19, p.343, Smith proclaimed that his Kirtland Anti-Banking Society was to “…swallow up all other banks.” Not only did the Bank not swallow up other banks but it failed costing many members and non-members their life savings. Smith was charged with bank fraud but fled the jurisdiction under cover of darkness. Certainly a false prophecy.

That “All Nations Would be Involved in the American Civil War.”

“Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls; And the time will come that war will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place.

For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then war shall be poured out upon all nations,” 10

This is clearly another false prophecy since all nations did not get involved in the American Civil War.

As you can see, his false or failed prophesies far outnumbered his correct ones.

This is a problem my dear brothers and sisters for the Holy Bible tells us that if even one prophesy does not come true, he who is claiming to be a prophet is a false prophet.

“Therefore, when someone claims to be speaking as instructed by God and then makes a false statement, that person “has spoken presumptuously” and is not God’s prophet.”

There are, according to the Lord, three elements that we can rely upon to prove a false prophet.

  1. The individual claiming to be a true prophet of God, did, in fact, say it.
  1. That he made clear in his prophecy that he was speaking for the Lord.
  2. The prophecy failed to come true.

The many “prophesies,” I have listed were indisputably given by Joseph Smith. They are recorded in the “History of the Church,” and the “Doctrine and Covenants.”

Smith’s wording also clearly states that he spoke on behalf of God:

“… in the name of the LORD.”

“Verily, thus saith the Lord.”

“I prophesy in the name of the Lord God of Israel.”

“in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.”

“By the authority of Jesus Christ.”

“Behold I am God I have spoken it.”

Yea, the word of the Lord.”

Yet none of these “prophesies,” came to fruition.

My dear friends, I think that the above examples of Joseph Smith’s failed prophecies should give you pause, but they all pale compared to the following.

While we cannot classify it as a prophecy as such, I would like you to note that when Joseph wrote the bulk of his JST of the King James Bible around 1833 he changed the proper age for circumcision to be performed from eight DAYS to eight YEARS.

JST, Genesis 17:11

No big deal?

Yes, it is a very, very big deal and this alone has driven many honest, thoughtful Latter-Day Saint from the Church.

Think about it. God spoke to Abraham and covenanted that Abraham’s seed that they would be His people and He would be their God. And that the token of this holy covenant was circumcision at eight days.

10) This is my covenant, which ye shall keep
between me and you and thy seed after thee;
Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

11) And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your
foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant
betwixt me and you.

12) And he that is eight days old shall be
circumcised among you, every man child in your
generations, he that is born in the house, or
bought with money of any stranger, which is
not of thy seed.

But in 1833 Joseph Smith with an arrogant stroke of his quill pen changes it from eight days to eight years.

The importance and consequence of this one-word change are earth-shattering. This means that not just did Abraham get it wrong but so did David and Daniel and Isaiah, tens of millions of Jews and most significant of all, the Lord Jesus Christ who were all circumcised at eight days, according to the covenant.

According to Joseph Smith, none of them were right. No, God allowed all his Old Testament prophets and His Only-begotten and beloved Son to err only to show the truth to a latter-day treasure seeking ‘prophet’ 3,000 years later.

In my mind, this is Joseph Smith greatest error, and may God forgive him for it.

Incidentally and for comparison, the Holy Bible including some 300 prophecies and implications about the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus1 with NO prophetic failures.

A few of the glorious prophecies proving the divine nature of that book:

  • The Succession of Great World Kingdoms (Daniel 2:37-42). Even critics have to agree that Daniel foretold the governments in their order – Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome.
  • Cyrus King of Persia (Isaiah 44:28-45:1). Since Isaiah lived between about 740 and 690 BC and Cyrus did not make his proclamation for Israel to return from exile until about 536 BC.
  • The Closing of the Golden Gate (Ezekiel 44:2-3). The Golden Gate is the eastern gate of Jerusalem, through which Christ made his triumphal entry on Palm Sunday before the crucifixion (Matthew 21). In 1543 Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent closed the gate and walled it up, not knowing he was fulfilling prophecy.
  • Israel to be returned to its land a second time (Isaiah 11:11-12). The first time was when God reclaimed His people from Egypt through the Exodus; the second time was from the Babylonian Exile (Isaiah 51:9-11).
  • The Destruction of Tyre (Ezekiel 26:3-14). The prophecy was partly fulfilled when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the city and left it in ruins. Alexander the Great later finished the job.
  • The Doom of Edom (Petra) (Jeremiah 49:15-17). Given the virtually impregnable nature of the ancient city carved out of rock and protected by a narrow passageway, this was an incredible prediction. Yet, in 636 AD it was conquered by Muslims and today stands deserted.
  • And of course, the destruction of Jerusalem (Mark 13:1-2). Fulfilled literally when the Romans completely destroyed Jerusalem and the temple buildings.

Studies of psychics’ and fortune tellers show they are correct about 8% of the time. The success rate of their predictions can almost always be attributed to chance and a general knowledge of the ‘subjects’ circumstances.

Joseph Smith’s does better than the average psychic or fortune teller, by my calculation his ‘prophesies’ were correct about 27% of the time. But remember the Lord tells us that if someone professing to be a prophet gets it wrong even one time, he is a false prophet.

Chapter References

1 (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).

2 (Doctrine & Covenants 114:1)

3 History of the Church, Vol. 5, page 394).

4 ” Millennial Star, Vol. 22, p. 455. See also History of the Church), vol. 6, p. 116,

5 Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Salem, Massachusetts, August 6, 1836. HC 2:465-466.

6 Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Salem, Massachusetts, August 6, 1836. HC 2:465-466.”

7 History of the Church, Vol. 1, pp. 315-316

8 HC 1:286-295.

9 The Joseph Smith Papers: The Revelations and Translations Series

10 (Doctrine and Covenants 87:1-3).

11 J. Barton Payne, Encyclopedia of Biblical Prophecy

FairMormons Comments on Joseph Smiths
False Prophesies

The Civil War

Following the Civil War, many nations entered into alliances and secret agreements in order to protect themselves from other nations

Following the Civil War the nations, in their great alarm because of the new methods of warfare which were being developed and their fear of other nations, entered into alliances and secret agreements in order to protect themselves from other nations. At the outbreak of the World War, these alliances had reached proportions never before known, and during the war other alliances were made until nearly every nation on the earth had taken sides with the Triple Alliance or the Triple Entente. It was during the period of the World War, 1914-1918, Great Britain made her appeal to the nations to come to the defense of the standard of Democracy.

Her pleadings were heard round (sic) the world. And what is still more remarkable, the entire procedure conforms exactly to the prediction made by Joseph Smith, viz: “they shall also call upon other nations in order to defend themselves against other nations.” A plurality of nations aligned and allied on both sides of the deadly conflict.

This revelation was not just about the American Civil War

The revelation makes that very clear by first stating in verse one, “thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass.” Notice that the word used is wars (plural), not war (singular), thereby “suggesting not one war but a continuum of conflict. Thus, like chapter 24 of Matthew, this scripture covered things both imminent and distant.” Of course, in our own time, we could add the war in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq, civil wars in Central America, Lebanon, the British-Argentine conflict, Desert Storm, etc.

In our several Indian uprisings since the close of the Civil War, many see the fulfillment of that part of the prophecy which declares that the “remnants who are left of the land [the American Indians] will marshal themselves, and shall become exceeding angry, and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation.”

World history since 1861 demonstrates that armed conflict widened and persisted since the American Civil War. There is nothing in the prophecy that claims that the Civil War must be the direct cause of on-going war, merely that on-going war will occur. And, it will happen after “Great Britain” “shall…call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves”:

 


DOUGLAS’ RESPONSE

FairMormon is side-stepping the issue here. Joseph did not prophesy that nations would “enter into alliances and secret agreements” after the Civil War; or that armed conflicts would widen and persist after the American Civil War. He prophesied that “all nations would be involved in the American Civil War.”

They were NOT – False Prophecy.

ANOTHER APOLOGY BY FAIRMORMON

“Missouri suffered greatly during the Civil War. Over 1,200 distinct battles or skirmishes were fought on Missouri soil; only Tennessee and Virginia saw more action on their soil.

Between 1862 and 1864, the western parts of Missouri endured guerrilla warfare. Although guerrilla warfare occurred throughout much of the state, most of the incidents occurred in northern Missouri and were characterized by ambushes of individuals or families in rural areas. These incidents were particularly nefarious because their vigilante nature was outside the command and control of either side and often pitted neighbor against neighbor.

Among the more notorious incidents of guerrilla warfare were (sic) the Sacking of Osceola, burning of Platte City and the Centralia Massacre In 1863 following the Lawrence Massacre in Kansas, Union General Thomas Ewing, Jr. accused farmers in rural Missouri of either instigating the attack or supporting it.

He issued General Order No. 11 which forced the evacuation of all residents of rural areas of the four counties (Jackson, Cass, Bates and Vernon) south of the Missouri River on the Kansas border to leave their property, which was then burned. The order applied to farmers regardless of loyalty, although those who could prove their loyalty to the Union could stay in designated towns and those who could not be exiled entirely.

LDS readers will recognize that Jackson county was notorious for its treatment of the Saints, and it was among those counties from which inhabitants were evacuated and a “scorched earth” policy implemented.

The commanding general ordered his men not to engage in looting or other depredations, but he proved unable to effectively control his soldiers, who were mostly Kansans eager to exact any revenge possible upon their Missouri neighbors. Animals and other property were stolen or destroyed, and houses, barns and outbuildings burnt to the ground. The area affected quickly became a devastated “no-man’s-land”, with only charred chimneys and burnt stubble remaining where once-fertile farms had stood.”

DOUGLAS’ RESPONSE

FairMormon is grasping at straws here. As the highlighted portion of Smith’s prophecy clearly shows he was talking about the United States being utterly overthrown and wasted, not Missouri.

When someone claims to be speaking as instructed by God and then makes a false statement, that person “has spoken presumptuously” and is not God’s prophet. There are then, according to the Lord, three elements that we can rely upon to prove a false prophet.

The individual claiming to be a true prophet of God, did, in fact, say it. I think FairMormon will stipulate that Smith said it, as it is recorded in the History of the Church, Vol 5, Page 394.

That he made clear in his prophecy that he was speaking for the Lord. ‘I prophecy (sic) in the name of the Lord God of Israel….’

The prophecy failed to come true.

It has been more than 150 years since Smith uttered this vengeful prophecy and our great country and its government still stand.

I maintain this is a false prophecy.

FAIRMORMON COMMENT ON FINDING TREASURE IN SALEM

“Joseph Smith’s prophecy that “he would find treasure in Salem, Massachusetts”

Joseph and several other leaders traveled to Salem hoping to find money that could be used to satisfy some of the Church’s outstanding debt

The trip was apparently made on their own initiative and was not commanded by the Lord. Joseph did not “prophesy” (sic) that they would find money in Salem, but instead made the trip because he became convinced that the story that the treasure existed might true. Upon failing to locate the money, they spent their time preaching to the people in Salem.”

“I, the Lord your God, am not displeased with your coming this journey, notwithstanding your follies. I have much treasure in this city for you, for the benefit of Zion, and many people in this city, whom I will gather out in due time for the benefit of Zion, through your instrumentality. Therefore, it is expedient that you should form an acquaintance with men in this city, as you shall be led, and as it shall be given you. And it shall come to pass in due time that I will give this city into your hands, that you shall have power over it, insomuch that they shall not discover your secret parts; and its wealth pertaining to gold and silver shall be yours. Concern not yourselves about your debts, for I will give you power to pay them.” 6

DOUGLAS’ RESPONSE

FairMormon provides no evidence that “The trip was apparently made on their own initiative and was not commanded by the Lord,” The language of the prophecy indicates quite the opposite.

I, the Lord your God… I have much treasure in this city for you…Therefore, it is expedient that you should form an acquaintance with men in this city…I will give this city into your hands,… its wealth pertaining to gold and silver shall be yours.

FairMormon again throws words like ‘apparently,’ out there without and any discussion or evidence as to why it is apparent.

Let me give you one more time; God’s determining criteria for identifying a false prophet. When someone claims to be speaking as instructed by God and then makes a false statement, that person “has spoken presumptuously” and is not God’s prophet.

There are then, according to the Lord, not Thomas Monson or FairMormon, but the Lord, thy God, three elements that we can rely upon to prove a false prophet.

  1. The individual claiming to be a true prophet of God, did, in fact, say

History of the Church, 2:465-466, August 6, 1836.

  1. That he made clear in his prophecy that he was speaking for the

“I, the Lord your God…”

  1. The prophecy failed to come

The treasure in this city,” was not Smith’s, and it did not come to pass in due time that [God put] this city into [Smith’s] hands,” or that he had, “power over it,” or that it’s, “gold and silver shall be [Smith’s].

 


FAIRMORMON COMMENT ON THE BUILDING OF THE TEMPLE IN INDEPENDENCE

“Question: Was Joseph Smith’s prophecy that the Independence, Missouri temple “Shall be reared in this generation” a failed prophecy?

Jesus Christ used the very same terminology in Matthew 24:34: “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled”

There is a double standard of interpretation that critics use against Joseph Smith, since Jesus Christ used the very same terminology. Matthew 24:34 quotes Christ as saying, “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” Luke 21:32 repeats this prophecy. The term “these things” refers to wars, famines, the sun being darkened, and even the “stars falling from heaven.” Some of “these things” occurred during Christ’s time period. Some have continued since then. Some have escalated into our time. Some have not occurred yet So we must ask since Joseph Smith is charged with a false prophecy concerning “this generation,” did Jesus Christ utter a false prophecy? Absolutely not! So, if Joseph Smith uttered a false prophecy about “this generation,” then so did Christ. It has been many centuries longer from the time of Christ until now than it has been from the 1830’s till (sic) today.

The word “generation” has different meanings. According to scripture, the word “generation” can have reference to a time frame, a people, or even a dispensation. Without specific wording which would indicate exactly what the word “generation” means, it is dishonest to accuse one (Joseph Smith) of false prophecy while accepting another (Jesus Christ) when both use it in a general form.

Joseph Smith’s revelation in D&C 84 may appear on the surface to be a failed prophecy, but a more informed reading reveals that it may not have been a prophecy, and if it is, its fulfillment is still in the future.”

DOUGLAS’ RESPONSE

I don’t feel Joseph was speaking about all time here, but I can see this explanation as reasonable.

PLEASE NOTE: I think it is telling that FairMormon has chosen NOT to comment on the majority of the false prophecies, I also spoke to in ‘A Letter to an Apostle.’

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